Boys and Reading: Is There Any Hope of Someone Saying Something Intelligent?
Saturday, August 20, 2011
So, you know, whatever. A person stumbles across an internet link at a late hour, the link is Old Dude Thinks Ladies Are the Problem: this is not a new story, in the history of stories. Why this particular column rubbed us so far the wrong way is a mystery--maybe it was the general reek of condescension ("The current surge in children’s literature has been fueled by talented young female novelists fresh from M.F.A. programs who in earlier times would have been writing midlist adult fiction"); maybe it was the mental image of Mr. Lipsyte in a (custom, no less) baseball jersey; maybe it was that fucking illustration. We are no fan, as regular readers know well, of the White Girl Het-Loves Monster Cash Grab that is the bulk (but certainly not all! and fair exceptions, how we cherish you!) of contemporary commercial YA; but we are not fucking dumb enough to argue that the problem is vagina. The problem, y'all, is who's in charge--and who's in charge was not, last time we checked, the ladies.
We missed the halcyon era of no-girls-allowed boy-reading that took our fair nation by storm in those misty, rosy-tinted days of yore so compellingly evoked by Mr. Lipsyte. From what we can remember, boys didn't read much when we were a kid either, although we were too busy trying to figure out how to get Gary Oldman to sleep with us to put a lot of energy into researching the literary inclinations of our peers. The boys we knew who read, read what we did--the Dragonlance series in elementary school, Kerouac (got over it) and Derrida (didn't) in high school; and that probably tells you all you need to know about both the nascent Rejectionist and her young gentleman friends. Yes, there were lots of books about boys then. Here's a secret: there are lots of books about boys now. As our beloved Chérie l'Ecrivain so aptly noted, they often get shelved in adult fiction, because stories about teenage boys are so much more universal in their appeal than all that boring shit about periods and crying, or whatever it is that teenage girls get up to. A politically inclined person might point out that the problem is not, and never has been, a dearth of stories about boys--you want us to list off complex, moving stories about boys that explore difficult emotions and tough decisions, we'd be here all night, and we need to finish this whiskey and get back to BSG. Can we just pony up for once and admit, collectively, that the problem is a culture that raises boys to be sociopaths? We have been blessed with some stellar men in our life, and they all have one thing in common: they made a conscious choice to be allies, to be friends, to work every day to unlearn the truly terrifying messages our culture inculcates in its men. They all manage to read books just fine.
We would imagine that you could argue that boys read far more now than they ever did, thanks to the monolith that is Harry Potter. We do not have any concrete statistical evidence for this claim, but neither do any of the gents (and ladies! thanks, y'all, for doing that hard and ever-unrewarding work of calling feminism's bluff; with sisters like you, who needs the Men's Rights Movement) currently trolling the op-ed circuit with their gussied-up lament of "somebody got pussy up in here, and it sure stinks." Mr. Lipsyte is no stranger to the perils of being a man in a woman's world; his home press, Harper Collins, is in fact the property of that most famous of hairy-legged man-haters, Rupert Murdoch himself. Who can blame Mr. Lipsyte, then, for his yearning for such classics as The Chocolate War, a book that is refreshingly devoid of vagina and its many complications altogether. ("Editors who ask writers of books for boys to include girl characters--for commercial reasons--further blunt the edges," Mr. Lipsyte notes; one can hardly imagine the nightmare these poor emasculated writers must endure.) Indeed, young men persecuted by their peers is a sorely underexplored topic in the annals of fiction. It's not like Lord of the Flies gets taught to every American high school student ever in the history of time or anything.
Mr. Lipsyte chooses to close his piece with a condemnation of the current crop of "sports novels with preachy moral messages," followed briskly (but surely not shamelessly) with a synopsis of his own novel, Raiders Night--a book that sounds rather, to our untutored ear, like a sports novel with a preachy moral message. "They even talked, gingerly, about playing because Dad wants you to and how you could be kept in line by the fear of being called a girl or gay," Mr. Lipsyte writes movingly of the desperate young athletes drawn to his fiction. (Can you imagine a more oppressed figure than the high-school football player? Us neither.) Funny thing is, that fear sounds kind of like a spot-on description of misogyny in action. But what do we know. We're just a girl.
*Crawls into a hole.*
Nice rant. It's interesting that you would pick out "Lord of the Flies" to illustrate your point of young men being persecuted by peers when what I really think is going on with that novel is a concept of "tyranny of the majority" which is far more valuable to take away than just peer persecution.
In my own personal experience, I've observed that boys do not value the arts as much as girls. I don't know why. But I had a friend, Jimmy, who said that all he wanted was an education from a technical school and then to find a middle-class job as a mechanic or something, get married, and raise a family. It was very boiled down and structured. He also hated reading, but enjoyed video games because of the stimulating visuals.
I've noted the same with restaurants. Boys by themselves tend to use the microwave for every meal. When they get girlfriends, this changes to home cooking and other things. The reason I'm commenting like this is because I believe that the problem with boys reading has to do with these choices that boys make. I feel that more and more, boys do not see actual value in picking up a book. And by value, I mean they are putting a price tag on their time. Video games allows them to socialize with peers. Getting a technical degree allows them to get a fast education and get right into the workforce and earning money. Reading requires "time" and boys aren't willing (for the most part) to spend as much time as girls are in finding value with the arts.
Anyway, that is just my two cents.
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There is Beauty and Truth in this post!
The issue of boys reading will not be solved by one author and especially not by an author more concerned in shaming his womanly contemporaries than writing a damn good novel.
Curiously, the male role model in fiction seems much more plentiful still than his female counterpart. Not "strong female leads," but individuals we know we must and do admire. I would not be the perfect gentleman I am (additionally devoted to slaying dragons, defending the realm, and etc.), were it not for the influx of excellant and plentiful "masculine" literature I consumed in elementary and middle school.
Oh thank you so much for this post. That article left me sputtering. Yes, a lot of reading is about empathy, about wanting to understand others' experience.
At risk of being a creepy stalker who fangirls you and retweets everything you post, I fucking love you for verbalizing much more coherently the things I sputtered out loud last night after reading that article. I missed the MFA line the first time around and it's sent me into a new paroxysm of rage.
So, the only way to relate to boys then is to create some kind of misogynist paradise where women don't factor at all, so the boys can develop in peace? Or is the real problem that boys just aren't as into fiction as much as girls, and male writers can't bring themselves to that lowly, lowly level of having to write "women's fiction" in order to reach the bulk of our current fiction audience? (because anything for ladies and children isn't authentic art, after all)
To get any child to become an avid reader it needs to start earlier than YA, in my opinion. I have two sons, ages 7 and 10 (2nd and 4th grade this year) and they both like to read, and I imagine they will continue to read as they get older because it's already part of their lifestyle. They always got a book before bedtime when they were younger, and they learned early on that books were one thing...it's not educational, or though-provoking, or tough, or edgy, etc.
They learned that books are fun.
For a kid to read, they need to enjoy the book. That's the first step. Without that inherent understanding that there is pleasure in them there pages, they won't crack the cover. They need to learn this lesson early in life.
It's less about stigmas and "boys won't read a book about girls" because that's pretty much bullshit. I read "Are you there God, it's me, Margaret" around the same time as "James and the Giant Peach" and "The Outsiders" and a good number of the boys in my 5th and 6th grade class read all of those books, too. We had already read and liked several Judy Blume books about boys, so reading a book about a girl was fine because it was the lady who wrote the Fudge books. And it was good book, so as each of us started reading it we talked to each other about why it was good.
I wrote a funny chapter book called RUDY TOOT-TOOT, about a little boy with a special gift, almost like a superhero: he can fart. It comes natural when you're born on a bean farm. But when one monstrous emission scares all the customers away from the family bean market, and the bank threatens to take away their home, Rudy needs to find the right time and place to use his special power and make things right.
I read this to a class of 3rd graders, and one of the boys, who the teacher later told me was a non-reader / non-writer, sent me fan fiction (as did three other kids in the class). And all of the kids (boys and girls) were literally rolling on the floor laughing. Granted they were sitting on the floor to begin with, but still...
I don't know what to make of the fact that this book that was very well received by actual kids was repeatedly turned down by actual editors (my agent was really bad about getting back to me in any way shape or form and I never got a bit of feedback on why it was rejected) but I'm not done trying and one day I hope my writing can help another child discover that reading is fun, and give him/her the confidence to pick up another book, or better yet, a pencil and paper.
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"[B]oys need to be approached individually with books about their fears, choices, possibilities and relationships."
Aren't we lucky that while approaching the boys individually, we can just leave the girls alone, and they'll be Just Fine!
Thank you, Rejectionist, for Saying Something Intelligent about boys and reading.
I taught 1st and 2nd grade for years, and the whole concept of boys not liking to read stems mostly from people (and by people, I mean those at home) not encouraging reading and a love of books at a young age. So many former students said their families would encourage sports and play over reading, because, apparently, reading was a girl thing. Which is ridiculous and wrong, and an idea I set out to prove wrong at every turn. Boys will read if presented with likable, interesting books. And, FYI, one of the favorites for all my students - boys included - were the Junie B. Jones series. Why? Because she was a relatable KID.
"Can you imagine a more oppressed figure than the high-school football player? Us neither."
OK, that was pretty funny.
And all kidding aside, a novelist/writer should write his/her passion. It's lucky if you hit a spot where you become popular, and yes, it's a business, and trends come and go.
But how awful it is to see writing that was done merely to fit a marketing hole.
Just write the stuff, and send it out. If you're telling a good story, you'll find a market.
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I want to reply to a comment that someone left here and that is that boys, in that persons experience, don't value the arts as much as girls.
I don't think that's entirely true, I think boys just gravitate to the arts that go in line with what we teach them is masculine behavior. Like the blog post we are both replying to states that masculinity often encourages sociopathic tendencies. Video games only recently became massively social but have been hyper violent for a long time. It feeds the aggression that we feel naturally rather than helping us out of it. The same is true for teen boys and music. As a teen boy in southern california I was often exposed to brutal nihilistic music from death metal to hardcore rap music and teen boys fuse themselves to the art that we think helps us release that aggression but actually feuls it.
The problem is that most art doesn't do this. Most art tells us, rightly, that we need to control ourselves. Lord of the Flies, for example, shows that behavior at it's worst so most young men who are being taught to be sociopaths will reject it.
Lipsyte's article was interesting. Apparently the cure for a misogynistic macho culture that prevents boys from reading is, um, misogyny. Imagine! Being asked to put females in your books! The damnation of it! I mean, can't we just write about football without women, as it should be (except for the sex scenes)?
Though I was curious about one thing he said, re. the division of YA books into boy books and girl books, and that there aren't many writers writing good books about both boys and girls anymore (and for both boys and girls). Except I know almost nothing about YA. Does anyone have thoughts on that? I mean, my YA reading of the last two decades has basically been Harry Potter and the Hunger Games, neither of which seems to particularly target boys or girls.
I'm quite surprised the author of that NYT article got through a whole two pages without mentioning Sherman Alexie. Who has become kind of a big deal, in YA circles.
Sherman Alexie isn't white, which we will hazard a guess leaves him off Mr. Lipsyte's radar altogether.
How do they prove that boys read less than girls? How do you even monitor something like that?
It is not like there is any one single source for reading material.
Amongst my friends the number of readers and non readers have always been split pretty equally across the gender boundary. So I find the idea that boys/men don't read rather ludicrous.
I really would like to know what the assumption is based on as it is not born out by my personal experience.
I'm not going to read that article, because it sounds like trash, and I'd rather just trust your analysis of it, R.
But I will say some other things:
I read a lot as a young man, AND played football (not very well).
I read Dragonlance in middle school, so maybe I was a late bloomer, but I still love me some Raistlin and Tanis.
I'm writing a book about a boy, that I hope will appeal to young men and women. It's about eleven kids. Half of them are girls. Bryan can tell you if it's any good.
I have two young people in my life, but they're both girls. When my nephew gets old enough to read I'm hoping there are just as many amazing YA books as there are right now.
As there are RIGHT NOW.
To answer Bryan's question, there are some YA books like that. Not as many as I would like (unless I'm just unaware of them), but there are some.
Here are the five best YA books "for boys" that I've read in the last year:
The Marbury Lens, by Andrew Smith
Ship Breaker, by Paolo Bacigalupi
Open Wounds, by Joe Lunievicz
Ghost Medicine, by Andrew Smith
The Deathday Letter, by Shaun David Hutchinson
Those aren't in any order, and they're great for different reasons, but I just can't stand it when people think there are no books out there. Sure, you might have to work a little harder to find them, but that makes it worth it. Like digging through the crates of records at an old thrift shop and finding a Tom Tom Club 12 inch.
I probably completely missed your point. Sorry about that.
GENIUS OF LOVE
That's the one.
"What you gonna do when you get out of jail?"
"I'm gonna have some fun."
"I'm in Heaven. With my boyfriend, my lucky boyfriend."
God I love that shit. I'm so fucking old.
Also: any song that mentions Sly and Robbie, James Brown, and Curtis Blow, by name, is dope as far as I'm concerned.
I'll add Coert Voorhees' The Brothers Torres to that list if I may, Matthew. Though, since the Brothers are not-white, it would be another shunned example of a great "boys'" book, I suppose.
Calling out YA for its seeming girl-centered publishing practices hardly seems to address the real issue here, which is that too often boys are taught from an early age to discount anything "girl" as trivial and embarrassing.
If the problem is that "teenage boys will rarely read books with predominately female characters," then the problem is not that too many books are published for the (obviously lowest common denominator, Mr. Lipsyte) girls who enjoy escapist lit like gossips, vamps, etc. The problem is that TEENAGE BOYS WILL RARELY READ BOOKS WITH PREDOMINATELY FEMALE CHARACTERS. It's not the women in children's publishing who are making it difficult for boys to lower themselves to reading about girls. Those particular boys are, unfortunately, far gone by the time they are ready for YA novels. It's the social networks that define masculinity as anything above, and absent of - and perhaps violently so - women (except women in subordinate/sexualized roles, of course).
I'm sorry Mr. Lipsyte feels books for boys must be boy-specific or gender-neutral to be of value to them. I think that's a dreadful disservice to to the ability of boys to think outside the narrow definition old school folks place upon boys and a reflection of how little they think of boys' abilities to step outside of that role of masculinity. Shame on those who think so little of boys. How about instead of giving them nothing but spots, steroids and violence, you present them a world where girls are just as valued as they are?
I don't wholesale disagree with the article. [Please don't throw tomatoes at me!]
I didn't take away an underlying misogyny so much as a lament of marketing trends. And the trends, while big, are misleading. This guy is focused heavily on YA and the people buying and reading YA fiction are largely women. So, yeah, maybe more is coming out right now that might appeal to women more than men. BUT.
The monsters of the last decade or so are not books that appeal to a gender. Harry Potter, Artemis Fowl, Percy Jackson, and the lesser lauded Gregor the Overlander series all feature male protags and did extremely well. With both genders.
I think he is wrong. But more because he is either ignoring, unaware, or too good to read the mass market successes out there than because he dislikes girlie books.
Like Rick, I'm raising a boy to read. And he does. The problem isn't that there is nothing for him to read. The challenge is unplugging the Wii, the Nintendo, the whatever shiny, sound effect-infested time sucking device that is designed to seduce him away from books.
So guess what? That's what we do. And my little guy LOVED Rick's most recent book, THE MAN IN THE CINDER CLOUDS. Which, by the way, has both a girl and a boy featured heavily in the storyline.
O Rejectionist, don't you know? Boys are naturally better at math! The reason they don't like reading is because they want to be doing math! If we would only give them books about math, the problems would be solved. Because, as we all know, there is no vagina in math.
Dearest Laurel! We would never throw tomatoes at such a noble Author-friend! We do disagree with you that his prevailing point is not misogynist--there is so much condescension and general idiocy going on in that piece that any point he may have about problematic trends is quite lost.
We would certainly argue that YA's current emphasis on stories of Beautiful White Girl Meets Beautiful White Boy/Werewolf/Archangel/Whatever Everybody Falls In Love For No Reason IT'S FOREVER, PLUS SECRET POWERS is a. problematic b. boring c. not doing girls much justice, either; but the point he seems to be trying to make, in his almost charmingly asinine way, is that THERE ARE NO BOOKS WITH DICK IN THEM, MANLY, FOR MEN. Obviously, we do not agree.
And yeah, Kristin H., if we were a boy we would be pretty fucking insulted by the implication that we were only capable of reading about ourself and our own experiences? That's not a very high bar.
Also Mr. Lipsyte's Universe seems to have only straight boys in it. Maybe he is just on a different planet altogether. OKAY WE ARE DONE NOW, WASTING OUR TIME ON THIS DISPLEASING PERSON AND HIS UNINTELLIGENT OPINIONS. Thank you, Author-friends, for an excellent discussion, and please continue if you wish!
Your blog posts always make me feel like I've been smacked in the face with a literary fist.
I love it.
I also spend way too much time thinking about what to comment on. Our past shared lust for one Gary Oldman? Your amazing ability to use the word vagina when putting someone in their place? Your insightful views on the male condition?
You are like a freakin' soup of awesome.
For the record, I read to my oldest son since birth and he loves books (maybe not as much as PS3 or football but we takes what we can get) and I plan to continue this with my youngest...as soon as he stops wanting to eat the pages. Just doing my small part to change the world.
Vagina and boy-parts aside, there is a bottom line. At least I think there is. Before I share it, know this, I taught middle school language arts for ten years, I'm the mother of 14 & 10 year old boys and my debut YA novel is about two 16 year old boys.
Back to my point.
The bottom line is this--while trying to snare the non-reading boy all that matters is two fold:
1. Find out what they're into and find reading material about it (books, articles, whatever).
2. Choice. Let the boy choose what they want to read.
I am a firm believer in the sentiment: There is a book out there for everyone. Because there is. I can't tell you how many 6th grade boys found "their" book while in my classroom. As one of your commentors said - the adults in the boy's life can't give up them as readers (parents AND teachers). If you repeatedly come at a problem from all angles it typically gets addressed or even solved.
There's NO reason boys can't read. As stated so passionately by you, the problem isn't the lack of books. Here's my final bottom line: if you want your boy(s) to read, tell them they're already readers, provide them with material, repeat until a book snares them. It will happen. It always does.
Yes, K.M.! That advice really seems applicable to ALL non-reading young people, regardless of gender.
We are waiting for someone to point out that Teen Rejectionist Hearts Gary
"The Only Reason Harry Potter Is Watchable" Oldman is a pretty clear White Girl Het-Loves Monster narrative, heh heh.
'Though I was curious about one thing he said, re. the division of YA books into boy books and girl books, and that there aren't many writers writing good books about both boys and girls anymore (and for both boys and girls).'
It seems like this is all I read actually, YA/Maybe nebulously MG books starring a girl/boy team. The Agency series, Wrapped, the Leviathan series are all good examples of this dynamic (the first and last feature alternating first person viewpoints, so both characters have very active voices). And of course there's the whole sub genre of YA where although there's other story, romance is the main point and those are overwhelmingly about heterosexual couples.
This post is probably one of the most glorious things I've ever written. Yes, yes, yes to every word.
What. The. Expletive.
All I feel right now is blind white rage. Thank you for addressing this article. As a woman who grew up reading Sci Fi/ Fantasy, I read only books about boys. Unless I was reading L.M. Montgomery. And in school? I read Steinbeck. Salinger. Fitzgerald. Books by men, for men.
Of course men are universal, and women have periods and stuff so men should never not ever have to read about "us."
Thank You!
What I've been so struck by in this cyclical, ever-present fear mongering of "the boys don't read" is that this is very old stuff.
Men, and some women, afraid of the "feminization" of boys, have been screaming dire warnings for decades about the danger of allowing women to have too much influence over what boys read. And the boys aren't getting any girlier. Far from it.
This undercurrent of boys shouldn't read, or want to read, books by or about females did not happen by accident. And the sad fact is some still believe it to be true.
The misogyny was perhaps more blatant in the 20s, 30s and 40s, but it has diminished little. And I can't help but see it today as two fold - latent and inbred fear of demasculinization, and the age-old motivator, money.
The question is where the problem really has its roots. And I agree, those roots are likely not in the books themselves, as there are multitudes of books for boys and young men of all ages with sufficiently masculine perspectives and themes. No, the roots are in the society that continues to raise boys to fear the "feminine" and raises men to fear loss of power and market share.
Thank you for hitting back hard.
Check out "Jumpstart the World," by Catherine Ryan Hyde.
I started reading erotic romance at 10, so my opinion doesn't matter. But you'll like the mc in JTW.
"Editors who ask writers of books for boys to include girl characters--for commercial reasons--further blunt the edges,"
What, you mean like Hollywood does to movies about girls? I mean, WTF was that boy doing in the animated version of "Coraline"?
Looks like you and many of your followers need to study neurology and biology a little more.
Why do you ignore the blatant scientific fact there there are inherent differences between boys and girls? Particularly their brains.
By age 5, the average girl is about 2 years ahead of average girls in verbal communication, recognizing faces, etc.
Boys' brains progress much faster in the parts of the brain associated with math. So the average girl needs to catch up (4-8 years behind according to recent research).
When engaged in a task, female brains show activity dispersed throughout both hemispheres of the brain. Boys - more focused concentration, usually limited to only one hemisphere of the brain at a time.
Our world is full of double standards and unfairness. And yes, we have to try to erase that as much as possible. But biology is at the root of a lot of this stuff, and then societal pressure on top of that drives behavior.
Females use more areas and both hemispheres of their brains much better than males. So they're able to relate to just about everything they read. Boys brain activity is focused and limited to only one hemisphere and one area at a time, so our view tends to be more narrow. Accept the difference and use it to gain the opportunity to expand their horizons.
You mention Harry Potter. Well, why didn't she use her real name - Joanne??? Because she KNEW boys would be reluctant to read a book written by a woman.
Is it wrong. YES. But why are boys so prejudices so? Society? Sure. But this machismo narrow-mindedness is deeply rooted in biology and compounded by societal mores and pressures.
Yes, we need more positive role models (Dad only reading the paper and Mom reading the books). Yes, we need to help boys expand their comfort zone. But you have to do so with the understanding that boys and girls are different.
Keep boys reading, stop offering or suggesting stuff they wouldn't pick up on their own. We keep them reading, then eventually we'll get the opportunity to have more boys to explore outside their norms.
to quote my friend Nancy Pearl, "there are 50 books each person should read. But it's not the same 50 books for each person." Let's ease up on the boy/girl aspect of books and just help readers find the texts that will change their lives.
And I CANNOT believe my verification word is redskins. Painful.
In the pink floral recesses of our tiny girlbrain, we seem to remember being told once that when a person makes his point using Studies, it is often helpful to use Actual Citations; otherwise he sort of sounds like he is Making Up a Lot of Shit. We would be especially interested to see the Study linking Joanne Rowling's choice of pen name to Biology. But what do we know about science! Tee hee!!!!!!
This rant is even less intelligent than the article it references.
People are individuals. They like to read books that speak to their individual experiences. Some of those individuals were born with penises, some with vaginas. Both have life experiences that are valuable. Sometimes they'll want to read books that expose them to different viewpoints. Sometimes they'll want to read books that speak to their specific experiences so that they can feel like they're not so alone in the world. Sometimes they'll just want to read something that rocks their socks off.
Boys are generally less willing to explore outside of their comfort zones. That doesn't make them sociopaths. It doesn't mean they need to be catered to either. It just means that we have to approach them differently than we approach girls.
And I'm tired of people acting like that's the end of the freaking world. Are boys reading less? Yes. Should we try to get them to read more? Yes. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Treating them as the enemy is criminal. It also serves only to reinforce the negative feelings and behaviors they have.
But answer me this: When girls were lagging behind in math and science, every push was made to help them excel. Programs were created to get girls fired up about math and sciences. Books were written specifically aimed at girls, to help them get ahead in math and help them recognize that they were just as great (if not better) in math and science than the boys (reference Danica McKellar's book MATH DOESN'T SUCK). Why is that okay, but a call for more books that speak directly to boys or that boys will want to read is EVIL? My masculinity isn't threatened that there are more girls in the math and science arena. Hell, my masculinity isn't threatened that, as a male YA author, I'm in the minority. All I care about is getting books into the hands of boys...books that they actually want to read.
If I hand a boy a book and he doesn't want to read it because it's not interesting, I'm not going to punish him for it. I'm going to give him another book. Hopefully one he WILL be interested in.
Conversely, there are girls who aren't interested in books that feature action-heavy or boy-oriented plots. Do we punish them? No. My first book had a boy-centric plot, and my publisher pushed to include more romantic elements so that it would have broader appeal. And you know what? It was cool. Some girls STILL didn't like the boy-centric aspects. Did I berate them and tell them that they should learn to appreciate other viewpoints but their own? No, I suggested books I thought they WOULD like.
When it comes to reading, no one should be left out.
Frankly, this rant is just bullying parading in the guise of feminism.
Are the only "real" boys football jocks? How scary that some folks' vision of boys is so stereotypical. The teenaged boys I know are into so many other things. Music. Debate. Other sports like track. As I write, the novels they are lending each other (or with girls) are Snow Crash, The Amulet of Samarkand, The Hunger Games, The Name of the Wind, Divergent, etc. As far as I can tell, they don't care about the gender of the author and certainly don't mind female characters although the dominant genre is certainly SF/F.
I agree with your post and enjoy your blog very much. But please do not use "old" as a pejorative when criticizing Mr. Lipsyte. Ageist thinking is as dangerous as sexist thinking. There are plenty of "old" guys who not share his narrow view, and quite possibly many "young" ones who do ;-)
I played high school football in the late 90's all four years and there were never hazing rituals or sketchy tactics used by the coaches. I played in the high school league in Bakersfield, CA (which is like Texas football transplanted to the Central Valley of California), so football was a huge deal where I lived. But none of my teammates or my friends on other teams ever experienced hazing. The stuff Lipsyte describes sounds lifted from the movie Friday Night Lights. I'm tempted to just assume that he made all of that up. If anything like that did happen, it's not common. I never saw or heard of it, and I played in one of the bigger high school divisions in the nation. Our coaches were very reflectful about the health and overall well-being of the players. The players themselves also respected each other. Someone on another team was gunned down by a gang, and we wore that player's number on our jerseys as a sign of respect for the rest of the season. We were heartbroken. Some guys shed tears openly about it. I don't buy the macho steretypes people throw out about "jocks." Another note about hazing: just MAKING it on the team meant surviving two practices a day in 100 degree August heat, and if you got that far you already felt such a great deal of respect and bond between the other players that hazing would've seemed unnecessary (and stupid, as in, the guys would make fun of you if you talked about doing some dumb hazing stunt).
So, Lipsyte's gross stereotypes seemed much more Hollywood than actual reality. He really annoyed me.
As far as reading, despite being a "jock" who loved football and swimming, I also loved books in high school. Most of the books we had to read in class were masculine authors like Hemingway. I loved Hemingway, as well as the other Lost Generation authors of his time. I also got into YA books, and they were nothing like RAIDERS NIGHT.
"...novels are bought by female editors, stocked by female librarians and taught by female teachers."
Lucky thing for Mr. Lipsyte, some rebellious fembrarian had been subverting the system, and slipping his banned book to “reluctant” readers.
Frankly, I think he's more concerned about loss of market share.
word verification: advermen. Because it would be wise to stop and think about what marketing message would be appealing to men for a change.
I'm going to let someone else handle how this post is "bullying parading in the guise of feminism." And it strikes me that blaming boys' reluctance to read books featuring female protagonists on brain wiring is...not giving boys (or men) much credit.
Related to this, I read a recent post over at Salon about President Obama's choice of summer reading material...the ratio of male to female authors was 23:1, the lone woman being Doris Kearns Goodwin.
The author of the article suggested that this was a form of hidden sexism, that President Obama would be setting a good example to his daughters by opening up his reading list to include a few women.
The response in the letters section was instructional: nearly every letter writer belittled the article, called its concerns trivial, stupid, you name it. And of course the name-calling extended to personal attacks on the female author of the piece.
Every letter I read, that is. I could only get through the first couple of pages before my blood pressure got too high for me to continue.
The condescension in Lipsyte's statement "novels are bought by female editors, stocked by female librarians and taught by female teachers," undermines any good points about getting boys to read that he might have had to make.
The problem is video games.
I worked in a toy store, and we got well-meaning Aunties in ALL THE TIME who want us to sell them board games for their nephew who plays too many video games.
"Sure," I say. "Tell me who he plays with. Friends? Siblings?"
"Oh no," they say. "He's an only child and he lives out of town. It's just him. His parents are too busy, they would never play a board game with him."
Me: "You can't play a board game by yourself. Not really. How about a nice book or a hobby kit?"
Auntie, looking suicidal: "Noooo, it's got to be something to lure him away from the video game. For under $20.00. You're sure you don't have anything?"
Me (in my head only) "Oh, I think you are looking for the magical store. It's a block from here."
Seriously, have you seen today's video games? Why leave the house?!
People who work in book stores also say it's always the mom/Aunt who is concerned about the boy's social skills/attention span/reading level. (Dad/Uncle just gives money or buys what the kid wants.) The ladies don't want a gift certificate, because then the poor boy, in his incompetence, would select (gasp) manga.
I bought my nephew some manga and he freaking loved it. I then became the world's best Auntie. So, moral of the story: give the kid a gift certificate. He'll find something with words in it.
(Also, I think the newspapers publish articles like this about once a week to get writers all outraged. We should give them a 0/10 - Obvious troll is obvious.)
I don't think anyone is trying to say boys and girls aren't wired differently. But there is a stigma in one direction but not the other. If there are girls and women out there who whole heartedly enjoy science fiction or adventure or thriller books that are written, edited, and marketed by men for men and boys, then there are absolutely without question boys out there who WOULD enjoy books that speak more to the female mindset and experience if they were given the chance to read them without judgement.
What teenage boy is going to pick up a book about a girl when most of the older generation of men will call him weird or girly for doing so?
NY Times Says: Boys Shouldn't Read Those Girly Books
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Boys don't read as much because, even in super progressive households, the dominant cultural message is vagina=books, penis=comics and sports page. It's the dominant cultural message that has to change, not the BOOKS ferchrissakes.
I do think that the marketing can sometimes help, though. I have a cousin (nearly 13) who doesn't like to read because he's dyslexic and ashamed of the whole thing. But I gave him a Guys Read collection of humor writing, and he actually came up to tell me how much he liked it. thats NEVER happened before, and I give the kid books all the time. I think the framing really does sometimes help with boys. This is not to say that it SHOULD help, but it does.
Don't get my started on those dangerous/daring books though.
Jay---this gives me the opportunity to address what I think is one of the very important aspects of this argument, which is nature/nurture concerning boys. I have to say that chalking anything about this post up to boys' biologically innate machismo does boys in general a grave disservice. As a former teacher, I have seen plenty of parents and teachers sensitively consider and respond to the differences in boys and girls while raising their boys to cultivate empathy, and, like the Rejectionist mentioned, to think critically about the societal pressures foisted on them to be emotionless, hard-hearted womanizers. I wish I could say these pressures begin later in childhood, but in fact they begin very young. Every hint that an adult drops that it is preferrable to respond to the world in a stoic and emotionally repressed way is absorbed by children, and for boys, there is an entire surrounding culture to give this idea wings. The Rejectionist is right---it is either men who've had the blessing of being raised in families who make a conscious effort to throw off these notions of male normalcy, or men who must do it themselves later on, who don't subscribe to this. No one can argue that the sexes process and respond to things differently, but no one who has worked with children and familiarized themselves with many families could argue that boys are innately narrow-minded and machismo. A boy, if encouraged by his environment, will grow up to respect women, respond to the world without posturing, and respect the capacity of his own understanding (and within this, often learn to love books). Believe me, I've seen it happen. Often all that so many little boys need is permission---they are looking up to us just like little girls are, to seek guidance and behavioral models. In my opinion, your arguments about neurobiology are premature if they overlook these critical components.
Oh my... so much to say.
Parent of 17 & 19 year old young men here - boys read plenty. My two have always enjoyed reading. They still do and frequently raid the library.
My experience is that boys read, they just don't read much 'YA'. Mine stopped in middle school and started with adult titles. So, perhaps that skews the statistics a bit. There really isn't that much 'YA' out there for them to read. They liked the Hunger Game series and the younger one liked the Uglies series. But let's face it, after you've grown out of Captain Underpants and Goosebumps, there really isn't that much out there for boys in the YA section.
Maybe it's the marketing? Even 13Reasons, which is a book with a male protagonist, has a cover with a moody looking girl on it. I won't carry around chick-lit or romances for pretty much the same reason.
I also have to say that as the parent of two young men, I'm a bit tired of everyone associating 'maleness' with 'assholeness'. The attributes of a assertiveness, curiousity, focus and competitiveness can good things when channeled properly. Not all compassionate girls are doormats and not all assertive boys are bullies.
I think it's interesting that no one has mentioned the genre factor here, too. In discussing this issue with my husband, who is not much of a reader, nor has he ever been, we decided that the issue more often than not is genre, rather than gender.
Is a boy going to read a book that has a girl as an MC and is essentially a romance? Probably not. Is that same boy going to read a book with a female MC which is an action thriller? Much more likely.
In my very scientific *cough cough* survey of my husband, we determined that movies he likes fall most definitely into particular genres, and have zip-zero-zilch to do with whether or not the MC is female; I can cite movies with FMCs he loves, and movies with MMCs he hates, and the split is based on what genre the film is ;)
Just another perspective to consider the issue from. Either way, this article rocks. Thanks :o)
At first I thought Sam Lipsyte wrote that article, and I almost burst into tears.
By my sketchy memory, The Chocolate War totally does have female characters! A viewpoint character attacks one and pretends he's about to rape her, in order to scare her boyfriend; another one rubs her breast against a different viewpoint character while they're walking somewhere.
When male representation in YA today falls to those levels, I'll be willing to admit there's something wrong with the system. Until then ...
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